Cannot save messages into INBOX on local spool?

Discussion:

M.RossARR

2008-08-11 04:18:11 UTC

BTW I saw in another message something about Alpine going away... is that
true? I just discovered it about a month ago after running on PC-Pine for
years. I hate to think I got here at the end of the party. If it is going
away is it going to be replaced by something else?

The University of Washington spent a large sum of money every year to pay
the salaries of the people who brought your Pine, Alpine, and IMAP. They
are not going to do it any more;

I can understand & appreciate the financial load. But that is part
of the software development effort that all universities experience
in their functions. That is also part of an internal learning &
teaching process unique to universities. The U of Washington, &
development crew possess much to be proud of for Pine, Alpine, &
IMAP.

and in fact announced that since Microsoft,
Google, Yahoo, etc. provide email services for free, email is no longer an
essential internal service.

That seems irrelevant, as email service is one thing, software
development another. However, email service is very essential,
internal or external. I would never rely on one email service
provider, especially like the list above. Free service as such is
flaky, unreliable too often, & still needs a good email client
software as the webpage access interface is often poor at best.

Pine/Alpine/IMAP is necessary! No other software I find equates!

It is time for the "free software" community to take over the development,
maintenance, and distribution of this software. They have claimed for many
years that they want to do so, and that UW should give up its intellectual
property rights to its software to the "free software" community. UW has
now done so.

I hope that is all true. The U of Washington Pine, Alpine, & IMAP
development crew however created the finest email client software I
can find, & I hope that creation is not lost from here. Possibly
some U of Washington effort will continue to be involved, whether
formal or informal. It is always a major loss to loose the brains
behind brilliant creations.

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Bret Busby

2008-08-12 03:42:42 UTC

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:18:11 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Pine-info] RE: [Alpine-info] Cannot save messages into INBOX on
local spool?

The University of Washington spent a large sum of money every year to pay
the salaries of the people who brought your Pine, Alpine, and IMAP. They
are not going to do it any more;

and in fact announced that since Microsoft,
Google, Yahoo, etc. provide email services for free, email is no longer an
essential internal service.

That seems irrelevant, as email service is one thing, software
development another. However, email service is very essential,
internal or external. I would never rely on one email service
provider, especially like the list above. Free service as such is
flaky, unreliable too often, & still needs a good email client
software as the webpage access interface is often poor at best.
Pine/Alpine/IMAP is necessary! No other software I find equates!

I hope that is all true. The U of Washington Pine, Alpine, & IMAP
development crew however created the finest email client software I
can find, & I hope that creation is not lost from here. Possibly
some U of Washington effort will continue to be involved, whether
formal or informal. It is always a major loss to loose the brains
behind brilliant creations.
--
The Best to You & Yours,
M. Ross All Rights Reserved
subj-code: alpinelist / pinelist
mrossarr.nixsyspaus.org/
--
Hanoi John is done, stick a fork in him, sidetrack
him, & get Ron Paul on the Nov 2008 ballot for GOP!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd347.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd379.htm
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I have just seen the above message, and, this is the first time that I
have seen any reference to, or any mention of, the University of
Washington abandoning all of PINE, ALPINE, and IMAP.

Has this previously been posted to this list, and, is it true?

Please advise.

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you'll know what the answer means."
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Bret Busby

2008-08-15 03:28:45 UTC

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I am reposting the message below, as the important question of what is
the current status of PINE, ALPINE, and IMAP, is unacknowledged and
unanswered.

So also is the queston of whether the information indicating that these
applications have been abandoned by Washington University, had been
previously posted to the list.

One of the aspects of the information that I have sought, to which no
response has yet been posted, is whether this list is to continue, or
whether the Washington University is going to close it down.

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:42:42 +0800 (WST)
Subject: Re: [Pine-info] RE: [Alpine-info] Cannot save messages into INBOX on
local spool?

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:18:11 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Pine-info] RE: [Alpine-info] Cannot save messages into INBOX on
local spool?

The University of Washington spent a large sum of money every year to pay
the salaries of the people who brought your Pine, Alpine, and IMAP. They
are not going to do it any more;

and in fact announced that since Microsoft,
Google, Yahoo, etc. provide email services for free, email is no longer an
essential internal service.

That seems irrelevant, as email service is one thing, software
development another. However, email service is very essential,
internal or external. I would never rely on one email service
provider, especially like the list above. Free service as such is
flaky, unreliable too often, & still needs a good email client
software as the webpage access interface is often poor at best.
Pine/Alpine/IMAP is necessary! No other software I find equates!

I hope that is all true. The U of Washington Pine, Alpine, & IMAP
development crew however created the finest email client software I
can find, & I hope that creation is not lost from here. Possibly
some U of Washington effort will continue to be involved, whether
formal or informal. It is always a major loss to loose the brains
behind brilliant creations.
--
The Best to You & Yours,
M. Ross All Rights Reserved
subj-code: alpinelist / pinelist
mrossarr.nixsyspaus.org/
--
Hanoi John is done, stick a fork in him, sidetrack
him, & get Ron Paul on the Nov 2008 ballot for GOP!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd347.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd379.htm
---end-of-message---
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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992

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Steve Hubert

2008-08-15 18:07:00 UTC

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I am reposting the message below, as the important question of what is the
current status of PINE, ALPINE, and IMAP, is unacknowledged and unanswered.

Pine development ceased about three years ago. Pine's successor is Alpine.
There has been some limited discussion of Alpine's future on the
alpine-info mailing list

http://www.washington.edu/alpine/alpine-info/subscribing.html

On that list we recently said:

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Steve Hubert wrote:

------ forwarded message ------
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:37:56
From: Steve Hubert <***@washington.edu>
To: alpine-***@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] alpine status

We will have at least one more release within the next couple weeks,
probably called Alpine 2.0. It will include the source for Web Alpine
2.0, which was not included as part of Alpine 1.10.

After that, we plan to continue serving as the primary host for Alpine
source, but shift our effort from direct development into more of a
consultation and coordination role to help integrate contributions from
the community.

University of Washington Alpine team
------ end of forwarded message ------

Cornelius C. Noack

2008-10-31 16:25:11 UTC

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I have a problem with pine / alpine under Win XP:

In my configuration there are several distinct XP-users, but
all of them use the same version of alpine.exe, including
the same pinerc.

I now needed to reconfigure the system, and move alpine to a
different hard disk. As a consequence of this reorganizing,
alpine.exe started as if freshly installed [with a `virgin
configuration'], using the default pinerc.

Replacing the virgin pinerc with my old pinerc version did not
work, for some reason. The only remedy I came up with was to
delete the registry entry ( "alpine -registry clear" ), replace
pinerc by my old version, and then rerun alpine .

That worked; but unfortunately only for the Win user logged in
(say 'Joe'). Logging in as 'Jim' and redoing this whole process
then worked for 'Jim' as well; but returning to 'Joe' I was back
to the virgin configuration for 'Joe' .

Evidently alpine.exe references some registry entries. So I am
obviously doing something wrong (possibly stupid, at least awkward).

Does anybody understand what's happening and thus can help me ?

Thanks in advance,

ccn.
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