finding subjects with windows-1251

[Tech Color printer]

running pine.4.64.1

I have some junk mail that when I'm in the folder display view reads in the subject:
[windows-1251] Watches with 25%

But when I do a search based on Subject text has "windows-1251" in it, the results from Pine come back empty.
So I am guessing that the Pine folder display is converting the real subject. So how can I do a search for when Pine converts a subject line and requires "windows-1251" to display it?




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[Eduardo Chappa]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Tech Color printer wrote:

:) So I am guessing that the Pine folder display is converting the real
:) subject. So how can I do a search for when Pine converts a subject line
:) and requires "windows-1251" to display it?

Use the "w" command from the index screen. If you press "^X" instead of
return, the matching messages will be selected, which will make it easier
to find them.

[Bret Busby]

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:52:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Pine-info] finding subjects with windows-1251
:) So I am guessing that the Pine folder display is converting the real
:) subject. So how can I do a search for when Pine converts a subject line
:) and requires "windows-1251" to display it?
Use the "w" command from the index screen. If you press "^X" instead of
return, the matching messages will be selected, which will make it easier
to find them.
--
Eduardo
http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/pine/

There is also a method, using the filters, to filter on the character
code (I use these filters for minimising malicious messages, and for
removing NON-ASCII messages from my mainstream messages).

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
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you'll know what the answer means."
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published by Pan Books, 1992

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[Matt Ackeret]

Post by Eduardo Chappa
:) So I am guessing that the Pine folder display is converting the real
:) subject. So how can I do a search for when Pine converts a subject line
:) and requires "windows-1251" to display it?
Use the "w" command from the index screen. If you press "^X" instead of
return, the matching messages will be selected, which will make it easier
to find them.

FYI, you have to turn on the 'aggregate' pref for this to work.

[Matthew Kozak]

With the requisite option enabled (pine v4.64), I am able to forward
emails and any attachment(s) is(are) automatically ready to go as well.

However, for any email that is sent to me from a person using Apple Mail,
the attachment(s) can be viewed just fine and show in the
Parts/Attachments header area just fine, but are *NOT* likewise forwarded.

I have seen chatter online about Apple Mail mixing-up header order (and it
does have the annoying ability to "insert" attachments inside the body of
an email), which may contribute to the problem? However, although Apple
Mail is the original culprit (it also tags every attachment as
OCTET-STREAM instead of anything useful, such as MSWORD, but I digress), I
am wondering why, since pine can view Apple Mail attachments, why doesn't
pine likewise forward them as it does for all others?

Thanks,
-Matt


Matthew Kozak
Rutgers University-Camden

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[Matt Ackeret]

I have seen chatter online about Apple Mail mixing-up header order (and it does
have the annoying ability to "insert" attachments inside the body of an

Is header order documented to have to be a certain way? If so, and
Mail does "mix up" the header order, and you can show specific info about
what it's doing wrong, write up a bug at bugreport.apple.com.

email), which may contribute to the problem? However, although Apple Mail is
the
original culprit (it also tags every attachment as OCTET-STREAM instead of
anything useful, such as MSWORD, but I digress), I am wondering why, since pine
can view Apple Mail attachments, why doesn't pine likewise forward them as it
does for all others?

I have no idea if it has any fixes in this regard, but it would be useful to
try the latest alpine and see if it has changed in this regard.

[Matthew Kozak]

If I had the info. needed to post a bug to Apple, I would (the answers I
receive from this group might actually make that feasible), but this is a
specific PINE question, for which I am asking anyone to replicate the same
behavior I have seen and for those with more intimate PINE knowledge to
hopefully explain. The same behavior is not exhibited by other email
programs, so it is PINE's handling of Apple Mail's output (specifically with
regard to attachments) that is at issue and for which I am hoping for some
illumination, by way of my original posting.

As an aisde, Mr. Ackeret, you should be able to replicate what I have
explained and likewise post to Apple's bug DB. I'd also be happy to hear if
you do not see the same behavior on your end in regards to PINE and Apple
Mail as it pertains to my original issue.

In any case, can anyone discern what exactly is going on and/or why from a
PINE perspective? Speaking of alpine, if anyone has access to both it and
Apple Mail, do you see the same behavior exhibited as described below?
Whether you do or not, may help to identify the root cause, but any
explanation to the original issue below is most appreciated.

Thanks!
-Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: pine-info-***@mailman1.u.washington.edu
[mailto:pine-info-***@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Matt
Ackeret
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:14 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: Re: [Pine-info] Attachment Forwarding

I have seen chatter online about Apple Mail mixing-up header order (and it does
have the annoying ability to "insert" attachments inside the body of an

Is header order documented to have to be a certain way? If so, and
Mail does "mix up" the header order, and you can show specific info about
what it's doing wrong, write up a bug at bugreport.apple.com.

email), which may contribute to the problem? However, although Apple Mail is
the
original culprit (it also tags every attachment as OCTET-STREAM instead of
anything useful, such as MSWORD, but I digress), I am wondering why, since pine
can view Apple Mail attachments, why doesn't pine likewise forward them as it
does for all others?

I have no idea if it has any fixes in this regard, but it would be useful to
try the latest alpine and see if it has changed in this regard.

[Matt Ackeret]

Post by Matthew Kozak
As an aisde, Mr. Ackeret, you should be able to replicate what I have
explained and likewise post to Apple's bug DB. I'd also be happy to hear if
you do not see the same behavior on your end in regards to PINE and Apple
Mail as it pertains to my original issue.

I could, but *you're* the one with the issue.

Jeez, I'm trying to help you, and you're being antagonistic.

Post by Matthew Kozak
In any case, can anyone discern what exactly is going on and/or why from a
PINE perspective? Speaking of alpine, if anyone has access to both it and
Apple Mail, do you see the same behavior exhibited as described below?

That's exactly what I asked you.

BTW, please don't top-post.

[Matthew Kozak]

Actually, Apple Mail and PINE have the issue!
;^)

I'm really not being antagonistic, just trying keep focus.

As a PINE user at Apple, were you able to replicate what I have seen?
Do you have access to alpine? I do not at present. If I did, I would have
subscribed and posted to the Alpine-Info list (instead and/or as well):
http://www.washington.edu/alpine/alpine-info/

If you do, however, have access to one or both, thank you in advance for
sharing the results of your quick attempt to replicate and whether the
behavior is limited to pine or is also seen in alpine? In either case, it
would take even less time than sending out a scolding about
top-posting...the use of which is no less frustrating than burying the
original issue under all of this tangential back-and-forth?

If anyone does *not* see the same behavior, be it in pine or alpine, please
let me know, so I can focus on configuration issues; otherwise, pine's
inability to forward attachments along with an email from Apple Mail is a
bug and I'll leave it to each of you to blame Apple Mail, pine (alpine) or
both (all).

Thanks,
-Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: pine-info-***@mailman1.u.washington.edu
[mailto:pine-info-***@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Matt
Ackeret
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:03 PM
Cc: 'Pine Discussion Forum'
Subject: RE: [Pine-info] Attachment Forwarding

Post by Matthew Kozak
As an aisde, Mr. Ackeret, you should be able to replicate what I have
explained and likewise post to Apple's bug DB. I'd also be happy to hear if
you do not see the same behavior on your end in regards to PINE and Apple
Mail as it pertains to my original issue.

I could, but *you're* the one with the issue.

Jeez, I'm trying to help you, and you're being antagonistic.

Post by Matthew Kozak
In any case, can anyone discern what exactly is going on and/or why from a
PINE perspective? Speaking of alpine, if anyone has access to both it and
Apple Mail, do you see the same behavior exhibited as described below?

That's exactly what I asked you.

BTW, please don't top-post.

[Matt Ackeret]

Post by Matthew Kozak
As a PINE user at Apple, were you able to replicate what I have seen?

I haven't tried to reproduce it. Just because I work at Apple, doesn't
mean that I work on Mail.. (nor that I provide assistance for it or
other apps). But because I like/use pine/alpine, I'm trying to help you.

Post by Matthew Kozak
Do you have access to alpine? I do not at present. If I did, I would have
http://www.washington.edu/alpine/alpine-info/

You have access to alpine. Download the source from
and compile it. I believe that some managed systems that have administrators
still allow people to compile apps for their own use. One of the great
things about pine/alpine is that the binaries can be moved around.
(This is rare, as far as I've seen, among UNIX programs.)

There are various kinds of attachments, and it might only happen with an
old version of Mail creating the email.

Providing an email (with full headers) that shows the problem would be
the best way to start looking into it and see if it happens with both
pine and alpine. If there's someone you correspond with that causes
the problem, have them send you a message that you can then send
to the list with full headers so we can figure out what the issue is.

[Matt Ackeret]

Post by Matt Ackeret
You have access to alpine. Download the source from
and compile it.

oops, forgot to fill that in..

http://www.washington.edu/alpine/acquire/